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Snotty Sammy? Spite? A neglected kid left with another neglected kid as caretaker finds out that his absentee father has been lying to him about his whole life for his whole life and transfers his faith from his father to his sibling. Yes, of course it was sad. It was sad for Sam, it was sad for Dean, it was even sad for John in a way, but it wasn't about some spoiled kid throwing a temper tantrum.

Somehow Sam-bashing is particularly distasteful directed at a kid.

da

Yeah. Sam was just a kid (and so was Dean, btw) losing faith in his family. The amulet was a representation of that kid and the only important bond he had in his life.
It's okay not to like the amulet or the chance of it coming back, but how can anyone hate on that child? It's strange.

Sam bashing just makes me love him harder. Even with the new spoilers I'm a find way to justify it in my mind. Yup.

OP of amulet rant- Most pre-teens have snotty moments, if not years, and I'm sure Sam was no exception. He's not a saint now, and he wasn't one when he was a kid. But if it makes you feel better, I retract the 'snotty' comment. The rest still stands. When you take a gift meant for one person and give it to another because you're mad at them, it's spiteful. Was it understandable given what Sam was going through at the time? Sure. Doesn't negate everything I ranted.

The comment was in no way meant to be Sam-bashing, it's amulet bashing.

Spite implies pettiness and malice, not justifiable upset.

Sam didn't do it to hurt John or show John; John wasn't even there. He wasn't giving it to Dean just as a way of taking it away from John, he was giving it to Dean because Dean was the one who had tried to make a Christmas for him and Dean was the one who had told him the truth. Sam being a saint or not a saint isn't relevant. It's like, if you blamed Dean for being irresponsible for going out to play games in Something Wicked. You're blaming someone who's the victim, and when the victim is a neglected kid, however fictional, that's a pretty ugly sentiment.

da

Someone doesn't have to know about it for it to be a slight. Sam giving Dean the amulet very much felt like a slight against John (and a deserved one) but it still reduces the value of the amulet because it wasn't meant for Dean originally. Have you ever received a gift that was clearly meant for someone else and not you? It's thoughtless and it hurts.

Even neglected kids can be rude. It's okay to call them out on it.

da
but it still reduces the value of the amulet because it wasn't meant for Dean originally

o.O Who are you to decide this? And Jesus you seem like an extremely bitter and negative person that knows nothing about kids or siblings.

Oh, nonnie. No.

da

If he wanted to slight John he could have thrown it away. Instead, he recognized that DEAN was there for him even though John wasn't, and rewarded him for it. Dean was touched by it, even as a kid. Let the damn brothers have a moment, jeez.

ayrt

It's okay if it's meaningful for you. It's also okay if it isn't meaningful for me and I don't want to see it back.

Troll alert.

da

Not even remotely. They just don't agree with you; that's not the same thing as being a troll.

This seems to me to be a massive reading out of context. Dean was explicitly taking on John's role by stealing gifts for Sam. Sam was acknowledging that Dean, and not John, was his real caretaker by giving him John's gift. There was never a brothers gift exchange in there anywhere. The whole situation arose out of a neglectful, abusive parent, and the ways that his absenteeism (and the lying to Sam) distorted the roles the two brothers played for each other. The kind of social etiquette reading you're giving it is weirdly inappropriate to the tragic and fucked up symbolic drama that was going on there. But it was a genuine recognition by Sam of what Dean did for him, and received by Dean as such. Thoughtless and hurtful is really not how I would describe it.

DA

I read it differently. It was important, to show us how the paternal figure that John should had been was now on Dean.
The fact that it was meant to be for John only adds to its importance, imo.

da

I'm sure that this will get that one anon to label me an EDG, but I agree with you on that and it's ruined any sentimental feeling I might have had about the amulet. It's made even worse to me that AVSC seems to so heavily focus on wee!Sam when he wasn't the only one let down by their father and who didn't get Christmas.

Sam acted no worse than I'd expect any kid to act and better than most but it still cheapens the meaning of the amulet to me.

Da Well you are doing at great job emulating to sound like one.

Oh run along, you pathetic troll.

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The OP is a vile jerk.

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