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Sam died to save the world and defeated Lucifer because of hia love for Dean. These fucking spoilers doesn't wipe away the rest of canon, asshole.

You can have this narrative, or you can have the one where Sam is being abused and oppressed by his mean, controlling, selfish brother who keeps him from everything that makes him happy. Which one do you want?

da

But I doubt Sam fans think like this anymore. This is not 2005 or 2006!
Dean may have a rare controlling moment once in a while, but he's far from being abusive or oppressing, and Sam doesn't seem to feel like that when they're together.
People are only discussing if it's ok or not to make Sam take the hunter life again.

I usually side with Sam (though I consider myself to be a bibro) but I think Dean is not being an asshole for trying to bring Sam back with him at all. I guess he thinks it is right and that they 2 can be happy together doing their job and that's why he wants to try it.

da

No, Dean is being selfish, period. He's only thinking about what makes him (Dean) happy.

they're been selfish since season 1. Maybe for once they're keeping them IC.

ayrt

I'm not talking about season 1, I'm talking about season 8. Dean has no right to mock Sam for wanting to get out of hunting and away from a life that he never wanted in the first place. A life that made Sam absolutely fucking miserable and unhappy. A life that destroyed his entire life period. A life that took away any chance of normalcy for Sam. And from what I'm hearing from the season 8 spoilers, is not a Dean that is a likeable person at all. Dean hasn't changed and he isn't progressing and evolving. His identity is still Sam and only Sam. At least Sam has evolved and showed progress and growth. Sam finding his identity for that one year is proof of this. Dean having Sam be his identity is not sympathetic, it's downright sad and pathetic.

Sam's life had been destroyed anyway. Sam knows that. And any fan that had seen past season 2 knows too.
Sam was never destned to be normal.
Actually, if it wasn't for his brother (and maybe John too) who knows if he'd be Lucifer right now and would rule Hell.

So that's a piss-poor argument.

And we don't know how Dean manages this situation. Maybe he just wants Sam to give it a chance and try if he'd be okay with hunting again. I don't think that'd be horrible from him. It's not like he knocked Sam inconscious and kidnapped him.

he knocked Sam inconscious and kidnapped him.

Will laugh like a loon if this happens.

da

Will ~~laugh~~ fap like a loon if this happens.

/shame

I would fap a bit too, heh.
then cry.

Even thinking about it makes me horny.

okay but wait till that happens, please, because nothing is giving indications of such a thing

ayrt

too late, I'm laughing at both sides of this wank. But I will laugh harder if nonnie ends up having their words bite them in the ass.

DA

That's your opinion. I don't agree. Get over it and stop being so fucking condescending.

Sorry, I mean't SA.

well, stop replying to my comments or just don't read, because I'll give my opinion if I want to.

there are codependent relationship fans that like this so.... it's their right to prefer Sam and Dean's identity be wrapped up in each other from the show. It doesn't make Dean sad and pathetic. It's just characterization that doesn't cater to you.

No, Dean's pretty sure that when he forcibly kidnaps Sam from whatever life he's leading and restrains him in the backseat in a familiar set of manacles, Sam's going to remember what he's been missing and realize this is what he really wanted all along.

Mmmmmm.

Jared did talk about at the panel being tied up a lot this year. :D

I am currently imagining all the scenarios that could lead to lots of bondage this year.

Sam gets badly hurt in the accident where he hits the dog and has to spend months in traction.
Amelia is actually something like Kathy Bates in Misery and decides to keep Sam trapped in her bedroom.
Sam is actually in a psych ward again.
Sam keeps trying to escape so Dean has to chain him to the car/bed.
The alpha vamp has been training Sam to be his perfect animal and keeping him on a leash.
...and so on and so forth :D

oh yes that's exactly what Jensen said.
That butthurt.

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