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Re: Extended TV Guide spoilers

[(Anonymous)]

da

At this point, I feel like their main relationship arc has been almost successfully completed.

Oh, that makes me so sad. I'm usually an independent!boys kinda fan, but for some reason, that just pings to me in the most terrible way. Not because I think you're wrong, at least, not where the writers are concerned, but because it explains so well the general lack of dynamic writing that we've seen for Sam and Dean recently.

It shouldn't be that way. Sam and Dean had their conflicts in S1-S3 but they were mainly on each others sides. The spark in their relationship didn't come from the conflict, anyway. It came from the mutual protectiveness and the genuine affection between them. Even in S4, when the tension took whole new meaning, that affection and protectiveness still felt in play to me. S1 had the conflict over John and S2 had the conflict over monsters and S3 had the conflict over whether Sam should trust Ruby or even try to break Dean's deal at all, but at the same time, those conflicts could have been removed and an interesting relationship left in effect.

S7 doesn't have that interesting relationship anymore. There's no conflict either to keep things spiced up.

I want more side characters, I love the side characters, and I think that there could have been some really fantastic exploration of Sam and Dean through side characters and still can be - exploration of Dean through Cas and exploration of Sam through Kevin, that sort of thing - but that shouldn't be a replacement for exploring Sam and Dean in light of each other.

Re: Extended TV Guide spoilers

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Well I guess my response to that would be if this were a movie or a book I would expect it to be just about wrapping up. Story told, brothers finally coming back to each other, on the same side, and maybe on the path to healing.

On the flip side, imagine if Pride and Prejudice were a tv show that went on after the resolution and Elizabeth and Darcy are just hanging out, being married, happy but without tension. Their arc finished by the time the book was over. It wouldn't be very exciting, unless some other supporting character came in and caused mayhem and/or conflict and/or something interesting.

So I don't think there's anything wrong with where Sam and Dean are right now - it's just the perils of a tv show going on indefinitely.

In S1-3, a lot of the interesting development to me didn't come so much from the light banter as it came from their underlying issues with each other, their dad, the hunting lifestyle, self worth, etc. And now that it's been dealt with, what's left is occasional light banter and an external force causing the central plot obstacle. So to tie their relationship to the plot again, we'd need relevant, substantial supporting characters. Otherwise we're left with Elizabeth and Darcy (I can't for the life of me think of his first name) hanging out, being married and kind of dull.

Re: Extended TV Guide spoilers

[(Anonymous)]

da

I want more side characters, I love the side characters, and I think that there could have been some really fantastic exploration of Sam and Dean through side characters and still can be - exploration of Dean through Cas and exploration of Sam through Kevin, that sort of thing - but that shouldn't be a replacement for exploring Sam and Dean in light of each other.

I don't think development can be an all or nothing thing, but I think fresh blood could give Dean and Sam the impetus to have their relationship grow a bit, as they each adjust to new circumstances, relationships, etc. Character growth shouldn't be entirely dependent on new relationships, of course, but they could carry back to Sam and Dean in interesting ways/help give the brothers a story that grows them both as individuals and in relation to each other. (It's not the only way to do it, but after S7, I think it would be one of the easier ways).

Re: Extended TV Guide spoilers

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe with that new Benny character, that will most likely be the monster Dean finds, we can get some development.

I'm afraid Amelia will just bring the old short-lived romance where they have to part ways or she ends up being a victim and dying or rejecting the hunters. not very interesting after 9,000 times. But I have faith in that new monster character for Dean.

And hopefully the brothers can get to talk a bit, talking would bring character development too.