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Re: CC Press video interviews--SPOILERS

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I have too! I love Dean/Lisa which is why it hurt somewhat to realize on rewatching that they really hadn't told us much about her at all. All we know is somehow related to Dean. We know she has a sister but only because she compares their relationship to Sam and Dean's. We know she has a type, but only because Dean fits it. We don't even know if she still teaches yoga, or what her favorite movie is (my head canon is Die Hard or Alien), favorite food or color or anything along those lines. We know she can handle a shotgun but only because Dean taught her. That really frustrates me.

She felt like she was only written in to give Dean a place to stay after Sam fell, and then written out again as quickly as possible. The original plan wasn't even to bring her back for 6.21 but I don't think they had anything else for Dean to do and they were surprised to hear fans complain that Mannequin didn't feel too resolved. :(

Yes, yes, yes about Sam! I don't get the idea that Sam's ~deadly sin~ was Wrath, it never felt that way to me, but it's like they don't want to let him express even normal degrees of hurt or anger now. And he's got a lot to be angry about, okay? Give him the chance to be angry! It doesn't have to be at Dean but I wouldn't mind if it was, unfair as that is. It's one of the stages of grieving, to be furious at someone for leaving you, even if you know objectively that it wasn't their fault. It feels like Sam should be mad at Dean for continually dying on him. It's not an asshole thing at all to me, it's incredibly sympathetic and human. It's the opposite even, because he'd only be mad because he loves Dean so much.

Or just have him pissed off at Cas and Crowley and Lucifer and any number of other people. That's okay, too.

I loved Cas in S6 (he was probably my favorite character that season - I really didn't care for S6!Dean most of the time and didn't like when Sam/RoboSam was passive) but just found hippie!Cas to be annoying. Cas in Purgatory might be interesting but Cas is most interesting to me when he's being a BAMF, early S4 style for preference. Since the spoilers make it sound like this is Castiel's version of Hell, I'm not too intrigued by it. :/

Ah, but by having to share the shiny tiara of manpain, Adam's manpain will only increase! Thus restoring his rightful place as single owner of the shiny tiara!

Dean isn't being a wimp to me, or being weak. He feels to me like a 90s antihero from a comic book though, if you know that trend. There's not really any exploration of what he's doing, it's almost like it's there more for shock factor or because someone thinks its ~cool. Depression is certainly inconvenient for everyone involved, it's an ugly, hurtful thing. I've been depressed and surrounded by depressed people most of my life. For me, I get annoyed with Dean's characterization not because he's depressed or not recovering, but because he often feels stagnant. Which I recognize can be caused by depression, but the two aren't equivalent to me. Dean's been depressed since the get-go but it's only been these past two seasons that he feels so hollow.

Re: CC Press video interviews--SPOILERS

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I'd love to see a little more anger, rational and irrational, in current!Sam. I thought Sam's issues with anger, constructive and destructive, were interesting and well handled at every point in canon EXCEPT s5 when it was suddenly his Deadly Sin. And I've enjoyed his moments of anger in s6 and s7, asking if Cas brought him back soulless on purpose, confronting Dean about the mindwipe and Amy. But I think his characterization would benefit from having more of the kind of anger which is either unfair (like getting angry at Dean for dying on him) or not directly usable (like being angry at Lucifer and at hell). Though I do find the absence of anger at his hell trauma, his insistence on using it to get past his guilt or feel like he's paid his dues or to understand Cas's trauma and reach out to him interesting. I think there's a whole lot of aspects of what happened to him that Sam hasn't begun to cope with because he coped them right out of the way so efficiently and he hasn't been willing or able to spend time in the negative, unconstructive space of his trauma.

I like that they are getting back to Sam wanting something for himself in life (though I am far from convinced that they are handling it well), but it still doesn't feel like a full choice to me, from the spoilers. Going back to what he wanted in the past because he feels like he's lost everyone and has no anchor in hunting, idk, it feels more provisional than goal-like, but it might get Sam back in the practice of wanting and able to make some real choices when Dean is back. I do like the idea of Sam and Dean having to sort out different desires again, hopefully without feeling betrayed or coerced by what the other one wants this time.

Re: CC Press video interviews--SPOILERS

[(Anonymous)]

da

I do like the idea of Sam and Dean having to sort out different desires again, hopefully without feeling betrayed or coerced by what the other one wants this time.

But we already have Edlund saying that Dean resents Sam for not trying and getting out of hunting, so that horse is out of the barn. And if Sam is happy not hunting, then why would he go back?