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Re: Questions about character bashing

[(Anonymous)]

I consider bashing to be any combination of treating normal human responses as horrible via the narrative or other characters

This, so much.

Also is the villlainised character necessary to the plot? I mean I get that sometimes you need a bad guy/gal, and though I'd prefer not to see someone I like cast in that role, it isn't necessarily always a bad thing, so long as they're kept IC and realistic.

What really bugged me about that JDM/JA fic was that the ambassador character seemed completely irrelevant to the plot, and coiuld have been left out without changing the story at all. And the first few times she's mentioned she's just The Ambassador, so seeing that one throw-away line of Ambassador Gamble really made me think the author was taking a pop at her.

Re: Questions about character bashing

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Good point about the necessity. Sometimes they can be necessary - a good antagonist causes conflict and gives characters something to strive against - but if the bitchiness is contrived or doesn't really add anything, it's worthless. The Ambassador Gamble thing fell into that.

The D/C AU I mentioned also fell into that, with the characterization of Jo. She was randomly written as abusive, annoying, possessive, overly jealous, and controlling, not to mention capable of sexual assault. It came across as incredibly contrived because all Cas had to do was say "thanks but I'm not interested in you" but for some reason, he never thought to do so. Thus, 40K words of a convoluted plot where Cas cheated on her with Dean but this was somehow romantic and a good thing, as Jo's characterization grew progressively more paranoid and OTT. The whole plot was pointless because there was no need for her to be in a relationship with Castiel to begin with and I don't think it ever addressed the fact that yes, she was paranoid, but she was right to be considering that her boyfriend was cheating on her with her best friend.

Re: Questions about character bashing

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Any fic where Jo is abusive and controlling would seem seriously OOC to me, so I probably would stop reading for that alone, but considering it's obviously bashing I would be angry on top of that. I do not stop reading fic in the middle very often, but for that I would.

I don't understand the majority of this fandom's ideas about infidelity either. I mean, if two people agree they are in a committed relationship and either of those people enter into a romantic or sexual situation with someone else THAT'S CHEATING. And it should be warned for. And no, the person being cheated on is not horrible for being angry that they were cheated on, even if they were in the way of your OTP.

Re: Questions about character bashing

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Oh, it was terribly OOC. I kept reading only because I was interested in this sub-plot with Dean and a serial killer but the way that ended made me wish I hadn't wasted my time.

I can understand if someone argues that cheating doesn't need to be warned for (it's a courtesy but it isn't the same to me as underage, deathfic, or noncon) but the author did warn for male/male relationships and not the cheating, so.