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Re: question about Sam and season 8.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I can agree that S4 will never be far enough and yes, it still stings a bit and this only brings memories or Ruby.

But disagree on everything else. Trust me, what happened back then still rests on Sam as a character. And he's more sympathetic, yes, but never gets to make big things for his brother. Dean does, thus Dean is always the good brother.

Comparing this situation with Dean's after Swan Song is not fair either. I don't think I need to get in deep in why it is different, but that phrase "every part of Dean wants to die, or find a way to bring Sam back" is a good summary.

Re: question about Sam and season 8.

[(Anonymous)]

na

I honestly do not follow. Dean is always the good brother? Were you on meme this past year, especially around 7.16?

Re: question about Sam and season 8.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

That was said of Dean at the moment that Sam died. Dean was certainly both grieving and damaged, as well as working on getting Sam back, while Sam was gone, but he was also finding moments of joy and pleasure in the life that he had, forming a real bond with Lisa and Ben. Thinking that that time would only be OK if he were suicidal every moment of it to the exclusion of real interaction with people -- doesn't that seem like a, well, pretty horrible thing to suggest?

And, dude. Sam voluntarily took on Lucifer, defeated him with the help of Dean's love, and went to the Cage. He then voluntarily took on the memories of his torture and turned away from the possibility of staying happily in his head with Jess for his brother's sake. If Sam isn't heroic enough for you and doing big enough things (and that's leaving out the things that aren't directly about Dean, like reaching out the Cas after Cas had done him terrible damage, thus averting a major disaster, or helping a girl in the asylum when he was hallucinating constantly and dying of sleep deprivation), then, I've got to say, you seem to have a smaller and less sympathetic view of Sam's character than most of the Sam haters out there.

It's honestly pretty easy to read your comments as an attack on Sam, which is something you might want to consider if you consider yourself sympathetic to him.

Re: question about Sam and season 8.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Ok, I know I sound a bit extremist, but that's because I want to make my point without entering to discuss the whole Lisa/Ben thing in deep. I know Dean had nice moments during that year, but he admited he was miserable.

It's not that I want them to be miserable all the time, I'm not a sadist, but given the circunstances, it would be the normal reaction.

And I think Sam has been the character that made more sacrifices. But since the end of season 5 to this day, it's always been Dean leaving his normal life for Sam and Dean risking his life to get Sam's soul back and I think this would be a good chance to repay for all the times Dean has saved Sam's life.

Once more, I don't blam Sam or think less of him, but I don't like how he's been treated (in regards of Dean mostly) lately at all. Please, don't think I hate Sam. He's my all-time favorite character, and maybe that's why I'm extra hard with the way he's written.

[Sorry, I think it's bedtime for me, if you want we can keep discussing this tomorrow.]

Re: question about Sam and season 8.

[(Anonymous)]

da

'Repay?' Damn, nonnie. I understand the things you're saying and that this is what you want to watch but the way you phrase things really bothers me.

Re: question about Sam and season 8.

[(Anonymous)]

Trust me

Sam, is that you? Shouldn't you be doing something else right now instead of arguing on the internet, young man?

Re: question about Sam and season 8.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, are you one of those "Ruby destroyed everything!" nonnies?

Re: question about Sam and season 8.

[(Anonymous)]

Not at all.
Season 4 was a bit difficult to watch for me, but I actually liked Ruby and enjoyed the season in a masochist way.

Re: question about Sam and season 8.

[(Anonymous)]

da


So only Dean is the good brother? Biased much?