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spnanonhaven) wrote2010-10-18 09:53 pm
spnanonhaven) wrote2010-10-18 09:53 pm
Big Bang/Exchange Fic Discussion #1
Post your threads for Big Bangs and exchange fics here.
Format like so:
SUBJECT: Title [Pairing, Rating] by AUTHOR
CONTENT: Art by whoever
http://url of the master post on the BB comm.
Format like so:
SUBJECT: Title [Pairing, Rating] by AUTHOR
CONTENT: Art by whoever
http://url of the master post on the BB comm.
Re: spn_cinema To Love And Be Loved In Return [SPN Sam/Dean NC17] by locknkey
(Anonymous) 2011-05-16 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)I completely agree with you-- I haven't finished the story, but so far, I think it's pretty brilliant. And also, so far, the use of song lyrics is completely making this work for me as a fusion. Wish I didn't have to work so I could read the rest right now!
It is good to see IDGI comments on a story this good. That way, when I get IDGI comments on my big bang (if I get any comments), I'll be able to tell myself maybe they just DGI.
Re: spn_cinema To Love And Be Loved In Return [SPN Sam/Dean NC17] by locknkey
(Anonymous) 2011-05-16 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)That came out sounding more dismissive of people for whom this story doesn't work than I meant it to. I can definitely understand why it wouldn't work for everyone (as with my BB). But for me, it is a big win.
Re: spn_cinema To Love And Be Loved In Return [SPN Sam/Dean NC17] by locknkey
(Anonymous) 2011-05-16 05:06 pm (UTC)(link)Oh thank goodness, I was beginning to think I was the only one. The song lyrics took some getting used to for me because they seem like such odd choices, but that's completely and totally in the spirit of the film and I don't see how this could have been done without them.
It is good to see IDGI comments on a story this good. That way, when I get IDGI comments on my big bang (if I get any comments), I'll be able to tell myself maybe they just DGI.
This is a good, comforting point and it makes me feel less angry.
Re: spn_cinema To Love And Be Loved In Return [SPN Sam/Dean NC17] by locknkey
(Anonymous) 2011-05-16 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)taste is subjective...blah, blah, blah...we all like different things.
But it's one of my pet peeves when people dismiss criticism on the grounds that the critic didn't read it right, or didn't get the fic.
Sometimes people just don't like the things you love, and there's nothing wrong with that.
There's a thread up the page a bit for cheri-morte's fic, that's quite interesting. There's a couple of nonnies saying they don't normally like her stuff, but they think this narnia fic is brilliant. Then there's a nonnie who always loves her fic, only she thinks the narnia fic isn't that good.
You loved it and that's great, what works for you doesn't work for everyone, and there's nothing wrong with that, and people who don't agree with your opinion aren't reading the fic wrong.
Re: spn_cinema To Love And Be Loved In Return [SPN Sam/Dean NC17] by locknkey
(Anonymous) 2011-05-16 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)Please see my self-reply comment above, where I apologized for sounding unintentionally dismissive. :) I didn't mean IDGI as an insult, but realized afterwards that it sounded that way. Just meant, it's reassuring to know that just because something risky doesn't work for everyone, doesn't mean it won't work for some.
Re: spn_cinema To Love And Be Loved In Return [SPN Sam/Dean NC17] by locknkey
(Anonymous) 2011-05-16 06:09 pm (UTC)(link)People aren't saying this fic isn't good because it's different, but because they don't like it.
For instance my main problem with it is the Sam voice - in or out of the dreamworld it just really doesn't sound like Sam to me. Again, subjective opinion, but it's nothing to do with the style of the fic.
Re: spn_cinema To Love And Be Loved In Return [SPN Sam/Dean NC17] by locknkey
(Anonymous) 2011-05-16 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)Re: spn_cinema To Love And Be Loved In Return [SPN Sam/Dean NC17] by locknkey
(Anonymous) 2011-05-16 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)I don't think using song lyrics in a fic is necessarily risky. Plenty of people use song lyrics in fic. Just because it's a trademark of badfic doesn't meant that using song lyrics in a fic automatically makes it bad. However, in this case, the lyrics didn't work for me. They pulled me out of the story, I found it frustrating that there would be three or four lines of lyrics followed by only a single line of prose, etc.
Re: spn_cinema To Love And Be Loved In Return [SPN Sam/Dean NC17] by locknkey
(Anonymous) 2011-05-16 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)That's what I mean, it's risky because a lot of people equate it with badfic. Including me. But in this case, it worked for me, because I couldn't see how you could ever get across the feeling of Moulin Rouge (which was pretty bizarre) in prose, and yet the weaving of the song lyrics did it for me. As I said above, though, I can easily see how it could not work for some people. I've never been as allergic to songfic as some.
la la la adding to comment count!
Re: spn_cinema To Love And Be Loved In Return [SPN Sam/Dean NC17] by locknkey
(Anonymous) 2011-05-16 07:48 pm (UTC)(link)To me IDGI, implies one of two things-
1) the reader has failed to grasp the story, maybe they missed the overlying metaphor, or simply did not understand the way it was written (this is often used by stans of certain fics and writers to dismiss any criticism of their favourites by suggesting that the reader would love it if they were smart enough to understand it and is one of the reasons this bugs me so much)
2) the writer has failed to convey their story properly, perhaps the plot has holes, or the theme simply hasn't been made clear to the readers.
But those are things that can apply to any fic, risky or prosaic, and there's no reason to judge a fic by a different set of rules just because a writer has taken a risk with the style.
And as I said before, nobody said IDGI about this fic, so that means the reactions weren't about the risky form, it was simply that this story wasn't to their taste.